2012..A new World order, or no World at all

[samantha7]

I joined a 2012 forum site, but for the moment it is as silent as the Midnight Hour I live in. Considering this location is about the end of days as we know it; in a fantasy world we would rather view from a far with rampant interest that we know can't touch us; I was wondering what members were doing or thinking with respects to what might be a reality.

Forget Y2K. I was working for a hospital in the San Francisco Bay area at the time and the only things I stocked up on was beer and cigarettes....okay I'm a survivor of the 60's...I figured I would be dead by then anyway...surprise!!! Second shock...nothing happened. Not that I thought it would, nor did I care. What, my computer at work will melt down? Fine...I'll just go outside and smoke another cigarette and wait for them to sent me home. Oh, I can't get into work because the gas pump will not take my credit card...great, I'll just stay home and smoke my cigarettes indoors. No complaints here.

But this could be different. Something out of our control and totally cosmic. If the planets do align and something happens what will you do? And even if nothing happens and the masses panic you will still be affected. I suggest you shop now cause there might not be any food on the shelves for a few months until things get back to normal...what ever that is. And please don't for get your pets as they need to eat too. If you loose power you will need water to flush not to mention drink. Been there, done that. Is anyone watching "World With Out People?"....Pay attention...

[aldenata]

I don't think the apocalypse is going to be civil enough to announce its arrival time myself.

PS: translate to binary, and the millennium doesn't really come to an end until 2048. I'd look for bad things to start happening then.

[chrisdawnwatts]

An event that would seriously render a large population as dead, as in lets say only 10% or so are alive. I really don't know what I would do. I mean you can think and ponder all you want but to actually act and set out a pla is pretty impossible. It depends on what the event it. Is is global warming and the sun will kill you? Maybe aliens? How about an event like the movie "Water world" and all the land is covered by water.

It really isn't possible to prepare for an event if you don't know what it is. If somehow notice was given about the even. Everyone would panic and try to prepare for it all at the same time. Violence would be EVERYWHERE so I know for sure I wouldn't go to my local wal-mart for things.

You could go out and shop now and stay stocked up on supplies for the rest of your life until something does happen. Hopefully the earth doesn't turn into "water world" because all of your supplies you saved would be gone unless you stored it in your boat which would most certainly be stolen during an event like that. If the end comes then do your best to adapt and survive. I don't think it is possible to prepare. They always say "expect the unexpected". All I can say is good luck

That is just my two sense.

Chris

[chrisdawnwatts]

Ohh and by the way, yes I have see all the episodes on Netflix "World without people"

[lydocaine7212]

Never in my life have I seen so much nonsense as the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The Earth and solar system were set into motion 4 billion years ago. Mankind has been on the planet over 200,000 years. We have survived ice-ages, earthquakes, volcanoes, the Black Plaque of Europe, and countless other calamities.

There are people who like to...who need to...who benefit from....conjuring up "doomsday". There is a lot of profit to be made.
The disheartening thing for me, is the "Doomsday" people seek to live in a state of fear. A fear that robs them of the day-to-day joy that can be found in all of life.

F.E.A.R. stands for "False Evidence Appearing Real"

[aldenata]

Jul 10, 2012 20:09:14 GMT -5 chrisdawnwatts said:

An event that would seriously render a large population as dead, as in lets say only 10% or so are alive.

There are very few potential disasters that would be that bad. Even a global thermonuclear war would probably only kill 75-85% of humanity before the population started rising again (sorry Sagan).

I really don't know what I would do. I mean you can think and ponder all you want but to actually act and set out a pla is pretty impossible.

Remember that every single one of your ancestors survived at least the Toba Catastrophe (only 10,000 human breeding pairs left on the planet) and probably many, many other events that seemed very-much like the end of world from their perspectives. All of them lasted at least long enough for you to eventually exist, and most did it without any knowledge of germs, plumbing, or literacy.

It depends on what the event it.

Civilizational entropy is my big wonk. I work under the premise that we're in the twilight of the West (read Oswald Sprengler) and problems that previous generations could have shrugged off will be far more lethal to us.

My focus tends to be on resource depletion, with secondary interest in climate change/natural disasters and war/tyranny.

Is is global warming and the sun will kill you?

Keep a supply of food on hand, grow reasonably hardy crops, know what kind of edibles grow in your local area. I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming, but I do believe in a gradual change by natural cycles of warming and cooling, as well as rapid change by e.g. sunspots. So I keep it in mind that agriculture in my area could look very different by the time I die.

Maybe aliens?

I don't consider extraterrestrial life to be a pressing concern (though I am very annoyed by all the unelected scientists and bureaucrats who would presume to contact and negotiate with them on behalf of the entire planet). But if they exist and turn out to be not unlike most intelligent societies, that problem would be filed under tyranny.

How about an event like the movie "Water world" and all the land is covered by water.

The planet wouldn't be completely flooded. At worst, you might have something like entire oceans being thrown across continents by a polar shift or asteroid impact (apparently that actually happens in some new movie that I'll wait another decade before seeing). What would one do about that? Own a boat, or live near sealable mineshaft.

It really isn't possible to prepare for an event if you don't know what it is. If somehow notice was given about the even. Everyone would panic and try to prepare for it all at the same time. Violence would be EVERYWHERE so I know for sure I wouldn't go to my local wal-mart for things.

Lots of survivalists seem to have this mental image of refugees storming their homesteads like zombies or criminals using the breakdown as an opportunity for extra business. While that is a good reason to invest in some defenses, I think that for most people the future will look more like the past and present: boring.

During Katrina, we didn't see hordes of marauders bubbling out of New Orleans to pillage, rape and murder rural residents (violence did occur, but not as much as the early hype suggested; no rescue choppers shot at, for example), nor have we seen it in Detroit or any of the other odd-dozen major cities that are slowly rotting from the inside out.

Americans are too fat and pampered for any real organized violence. What most of them will probably do is mindlessly set around waiting for a rescue that's never going to come; people who've gone their entire lives without ever having to fight for their survival don't suddenly become more energetic when they have to, they become less.

You could go out and shop now and stay stocked up on supplies for the rest of your life until something does happen. Hopefully the earth doesn't turn into "water world" because all of your supplies you saved would be gone unless you stored it in your boat which would most certainly be stolen during an event like that.

That's why I consider being as self-sufficient as possible to be as important as stockpiling. Whether you have a week of supplies or ten years of it, unless you can get more you're living on a finite budget that'll eventually run out.

Incidentally, the idea of having a truckload of food and some seeds so you can bug out to the mountains and instantly become a subsistence farmer is foolhardy. My family has living in the same area for over 200 years and I've been gardening since I was old enough to walk and I'm still learning things. If I was going to start farming from scratch post-crash, I would want absolutely no less than two years worth of food to live off of before I actually started harvesting anything.

If the end comes then do your best to adapt and survive. I don't think it is possible to prepare. They always say "expect the unexpected". All I can say is good luck

That is just my two sense.

Chris

Mental preparation is probably the best kind you can do. That's one good reason to study the survival techniques of primitive/pre-industrial/pre-petroleum people who lived in your area.

If nothing else, live healthy and remove any addictions you might be on while you can still do so in comfortable conditions.

[aldenata]

Aug 29, 2012 23:11:06 GMT -5 lydocaine7212 said:

Never in my life have I seen so much nonsense as the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The Earth and solar system were set into motion 4 billion years ago. Mankind has been on the planet over 200,000 years. We have survived ice-ages, earthquakes, volcanoes, the Black Plaque of Europe, and countless other calamities.

There are people who like to...who need to...who benefit from....conjuring up "doomsday". There is a lot of profit to be made.
The disheartening thing for me, is the "Doomsday" people seek to live in a state of fear. A fear that robs them of the day-to-day joy that can be found in all of life.

F.E.A.R. stands for "False Evidence Appearing Real"

The realities of a population bottleneck are a bitter pill for most psychologies to swallow. I mean, when you realize that current world population is over seven billion and the pre-petroleum world population was around two billion, the timescale involved should let you know that equilibrium is going to be reached in a very tragic fashion.

My coping mechanism is to look for silver linings. After all, what came after the Black Death? The Renaissance. Collapse also presents us with the hope that some of the wilderness might be preserved, that old rural traditions might be revived and that we may see a return of community and family values we've been steadily losing for most of the last few centuries (though here I expect things to get much worse before they get better).

[dregj]

we definitely need population control we could cut the world population half at the very least or failing that nuclear war

[dregj]

nuke em ,nuke hard